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Recently our site experienced a visit with offers to everyone of a product made using "hand picked seasoned" "virgin blocks". Whatever, that may be. Never heard of a used virgin.
I developed some curiosity when we were informed Jegs, Summit and Eagle distributed their products and for some reason this was supposed to give this outfit some credibility. Being curious now, I decided to look for other snake oil carried by either Jegs or Summit the next time I received one of their flyers. Bingo, that happened today. Right on the front cover were these innovative looking spark plugs called E3 Spark Plugs. Just look at how impressive they are: http://www.jegs.com/p/E3-Spark-Plugs...tm_content=Tub Quote:
![]() (I wonder where the "Artist's Rendering" footnote is?) Techno Product Picture Cited Here: ![]() (Clearly a highly advanced piece of engineering and design) Quote:
I then checked Summit and sure as the world they have similar claims. Hmmmm? Surely the folks at SpeedTalk and YellowBullet must be all over this modern marvel. How could I have possibly missed such a leap forward for mankind and a sure guarantee of continued life for the IC engine? I had to check the 2 aforementioned sites. http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=22151 http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/sh...d.php?t=115392 Odd. I was expecting these places to be plastered with threads about phenomenal power and fuel utilization improvements with these plugs. What gives? Two threads in two sites? well YB has another post in a second thread. Looks like a couple lawn mowers improved their use of fuel. I like a couple of Joe Sherman's comments. Joe is a well known and respected engine builders in the states and a competitor at Engine Masters. Joe was actually sponsored by E3. They put 2,500 bucks in his pocket too run their plugs in competition. Here is what he had to say: Quote:
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![]() ![]() Look at that precision machine work ! Especially around the "turbine housing". ![]() Sine spark plugs were part of the initial subject, I had to search for the surface gap Fire Injector spark plugs offered by J.C. Whitney. ![]() ![]() In all fairness, IIRC there was a similar type of surface gap plug that worked "somewhat" in oil fouled conditions...I think? Then I found a link to Hemmings with a couple pages of products scientifically guaranteed to separate the buyer from their money. Providing the URL as the images are too big. https://www.hemmings.com/blog/2014/1...hrunken-heads/ What kind of snake oil has been offered to the Australian consumers over the years? Cheers |
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Hiclone comes to mind.
Those E3 plugs looks so good I might use them in my diesel.
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Bazinga, happy April fools day!!
![]() The shrouding on those plug tips would seriously affect flame propagation in the combustion chamber, yes? ![]() ![]() cheers, Maka
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Well that's just stuffed it, I was going to sell him some of this............with free shipping to 'murrica.
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![]() ![]() The Twin Turbo Zet Manufacturer's Claims: Increases engine acceleration power up to 30 per cent Fuel savings up to 30 per cent Reduces exhaust emissions up to 30 per cent on gasoline engines depending on its condition Reduces engine noise and vibrations 2 year limited warranty against defects Value-priced compared to mechanical turbocharger Maintenance-free Construction: Plastic housing with 60mm inlet and outlet tubes Two plastic-bladed, 55mm diameter electric fans with integral 30mm diameter electric motors; appearing to the uninformed to resemble PC cooling fans Light-gauge hookup-type wire Cost: $300 When connected to power: Tiny electric fans rotate at speed similar to PC-cooling fans, creating a faint breeze Reaction of all technical experts who examined the Twin Turbo Zet: Extreme mirth ![]() |
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Ford AU Series Magazine Scans Here - www.fordforums.com.au/photos/index.php?cat=2792 Proud owner of a optioned keeper S1 Tickford Falcon AU XR6 VCT - "it's actually a better-balanced car than the XR8, goes almost as hard and uses about two-thirds of the fuel" (Drive.com 2007) |
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What about hydrogen generators surely their not fake I'm on to my 5th one and none of them seem to work .
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Ebay resistor mod was a good one. 15000% profit and all it did was make it think you were running leaner (or richer - depending on the AFM system).
And who can forget the elusive, massive power gains, from the "cop chip" era of the 90s... Funny thing about spark plugs. I've seen myriads of different designs from the teens thru to current - not only from playing around with vintage & veteran cars (and having lots of mates into them) but also because I know a collector who has thousands of them. There have been many similar types of things tried over the years - including the dual & tri-electrodes - as individuals, rather than that cage, as well as "bullseye" plugs with a flat, round electrode in the middle, with a precision ceramic gap out to the body - so a fixed gap, and the spark eventually erodes the body away in the highest point, before jumping to the next highest etc. These were touted as lasting longer, but fouled badly. But the common thing, is all those different arrangements of electrodes never made it past the 1960s. If they were any good, they'd still be in service today, and those E3 things look like the tri-electrodes from the 1920s. Some of the most impressive plugs from 75+ years ago have glass bodies instead of ceramic, so you can see the combustion colour. Apparently it was good for tuning in the early days of the blue-flame 6, and impressed customers. They weren't durable enough to be left in all the time though. |
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might be the same sales snakeoil rep that convinced Kenworth that jet turbine motors were good for trucks
![]() https://youtu.be/KOOfBU6Cz0c well they didn't take off (see what I did there ![]() http://www.braytonenergy.net/news-an...ruck-launched/
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yes still (as money n time permit) doing the rebuilding the zh fairlane with a clevo 400m 4v heads injected whipple blown with aode 4 speed trans to a 9" ....... we'll get there eventually just remember don't be afraid to try something new. Remember, amateurs built the Ark...Professionals built the Titanic! I have taken up meditation... at least it's better than sitting around doing nothing !! |
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Similar to a snakeoil politician that sold off the retail arm of Energex Qld and promised that privatisation would make prices plummet. Gone up nearly 200% since ... dang!
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Tablets that the seller claims increase mpg, produces more power etc etc.
They were around in the early 2000's. Fuel Freedom international or as they call themselves now Forever Freedom International. Marketing madness ripping off the gullible.
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It's a good thing he got into the business when he did. There is a lot more competition in that technology now.
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That old stuff is absolutely hilarious when looking at it now. I remember looking at many of those ads when I was young. The J.C. Whitney Catalog was full of them. On one page you could buy factory crate motors (yes, even back then), intakes from Edelbrock, Offy, Weiand, etc, Isky Cams and lifters, etc and on the next page were these wonder gizmos. Popular Science and Popular Mechanics were other good sources for these ads. Can't forget the "X-Ray Glasses". It's funny to see Jegs and Summit are a modern version of the same. Buyer beware. Know what it is you are ordering. |
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Does that outfit still supply muffler bearing packing grease? |
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This tariff debacle is ruining a lot of good ideas like this. |
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Spark plugs provide a alley for the craziest ideas. It is easy to understand the experimentation during the early days of the spark IC engine. I had forgotten about the glass spark plugs. GM held onto that idea from a sales perspective for a while even with the ACDelco "Fire Ring" spark plugs. I absolutely had to have them in the GTO, which was equipped with the AC Delco breaker less captive discharge ignition system sold in the 1960s. Somewhere, there was a mention of an ad about TF racers using the E3 plugs. Talk about snake oil. True, some folks may have been paid to run them in their lawn mores, or whatever. Nobody is going to make a run in their TF dragster or FC motor. |
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In my "research" I saw an article from Car and Driver (Card and River) mentioning an aborted tested planned for these. It seems the Fukushima incident put a crimp on the production.
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Take payment in bitcoin?
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Order now and get a second Platinum 20sec free...
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That's not quite right, in that Brock's intention wasn't to rip anyone off per se; it was more that he passionately believed in the thing, to the point where he let it cost him almost everything he had at the time.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firepower_International In the meantime, they were sponsoring Tasman in V8 Supercars, as well promising to sponsor the Rabbitohs and a few other sports teams. ![]() They were set up with the sole intention of ripping people off, from investors to the general public. |
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Aerofoil / aerodynamic windscreen wipers qualify for this great thread?
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