Cam prices

**Polyal** · 02-05-2005, 12:24 PM

Hey guys.

Just wondering if you could price your cams individualy. I dont plan to get the whole kit, and my car will be stock other than a cam, headers and the exhaust. Car is in my sig.

What would you recommend? I have no idea about prices but know how much roughly I want to spend.

Dev1 - $
Dev2 - $
Dev3 - $
Dev3HL - $
Dev4 - $
Dev5 - $

I woukd think alot of other people would be interested aswell.

thanks.

Casper · 02-05-2005, 12:30 PM

Dev 1 doesnt have a cam, all the other cams are $490 regardless of Dev kit.

dansedgli · 02-05-2005, 12:32 PM

Its all on their website.

**Polyal** · 02-05-2005, 12:47 PM

I know the kits are on there website, but I didn't see the cams alone.

$490 hey..........

**Polyal** · 02-05-2005, 12:49 PM

Ah sorry didn't open the pdf...thanks guys

Although another quick question, what does their CAI consist of for a EA-ED? Anyone have any pics?

Casper · 02-05-2005, 12:52 PM

download the PDF version, it breaks up all the prices.

**Polyal** · 02-05-2005, 07:48 PM

So what would people recommend for my car? Im not going all out, just want something that gives good driveability and some more balls. Do you need venier gear with all of this cams?

Casper · 02-05-2005, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

So what would people recommend for my car? Im not going all out, just want something that gives good driveability and some more balls. Do you need venier gear with all of this cams?

Really, to be honest, they are all tried and tested an all will make noticable improvments. My advice is get the one you can afford.

I would suggest talking to them as often a bit of a mix and match is possible too. Sometimes this can be a better solution too.

**Polyal** · 02-05-2005, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Casper

Really, to be honest, they are all tried and tested an all will make noticable improvments. My advice is get the one you can afford.

I would suggest talking to them as often a bit of a mix and match is possible too. Sometimes this can be a better solution too.

But all the cams are the same price, according to their guide. So were the logic behind me not getting a dev5 compared to a dev3HL or visa versa?

Casper · 02-05-2005, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

But all the cams are the same price, according to their guide. So were the logic behind me not getting a dev5 compared to a dev3HL or visa versa?

depends what application you want it for. Remember, the more agressive the cam, the more the headwork will make a major difference. A Dev5 in a stock head may not be as good a match as say a Dev3 cam.

Best thing to do is give Jim or Brenden a call and talk to them about what you want. They will help far more than I can.

Sox · 03-05-2005, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

So what would people recommend for my car? Im not going all out, just want something that gives good driveability and some more balls. Do you need venier gear with all of this cams?

ALL cams must have a vernier gear. Without one you're just taking pot luck, contrary to what some cam grinders may say.

I'd recommend the DEV3 cam in your case, doesn't require valve springs or any additional headwork, and gives a very handy increase in power.

Rick.

Sox · 03-05-2005, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by useless

The best JMM cam without a chip so far is the dev3 hl.As Casper has said it depends on what you want.The dev3hl idles well and gives a decent power boost.The dev 4 cam in my vehicle idles like stock and gives a bit more power,but good torque.With the dev head it would be alot better.

The dev 5 cammed cars that I have seen do not idle like stock.However with the dev head it should go really well.If you are going for just a cam and chip the choice would be a dev 4 with top idle or a dev 5 with more power and slightly rougher idle.Cam only go for dev 3hl.

Remember his car is an E-series, it doesn't have the CR of a AU, so the DEV4 cam may not work as well, and the DEV5 may lose power.

I would use a DEV3 or DEV3HL.

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As Soxx has said a vernier gear is essential.The next essential thing is to have it dialled in properly.There seems to be a lack of people who can dial in properly to specs.

Very much agreed, I believe many so called mechanics don't know how to correctly dial in a cam, and even more don't realise the importance of it.

Rick.

stockstandard · 03-05-2005, 04:34 PM

Your cam must have been dialed in REALLY bad. I had my car dyno'ed with the cam angle adjusted over a 6 degree range and there is bugger all difference in peak power. Also when the peak power was lower, the mid range was stronger by roughly the same amount.

I have run a regrind cam and billet gound cam and both were spot on the grinders specs with the stock cam gear. Maybe I am just lucky.

Sox · 03-05-2005, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by stockstandard

Your cam must have been dialed in REALLY bad. I had my car dyno'ed with the cam angle adjusted over a 6 degree range and there is bugger all difference in peak power. Also when the peak power was lower, the mid range was stronger by roughly the same amount.

The bigger problem is when a cam is retarded, and this can be caused by timing chain stretch.
Advanced cams still have plenty (more actually) midrange urge, but tend to taper off at high revs where the engine isn't used as much.
Retarded cams feel sluggish down low and seem to take forever to reach there peak. This is the reason many cammed engines feel worse than standard.
As I said, it's mandatory to use a vernier gear.

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I have run a regrind cam and billet gound cam and both were spot on the grinders specs with the stock cam gear. Maybe I am just lucky.

Yep, lucky, try another 100 cams and 90 of them will be out.

Rick.

jonbays · 03-05-2005, 08:15 PM

Yes I have fiddled with the timing of my dev3hl cam almost as many times as useless has fiddled with his lifters and I will 100% back up the need for a vernier and timing the cam in carefully (including marking up TDC yourself not just accepting the factory got it right) to the cam grinders spec.

I tried all sorts of settings with the dev3hl and guess what Jim got it right. retard it up and it was a real dog in the md range but almost felt like turbo lag when at about 3800 rpm it would go nuts. Advance it up and its nice and mild mannered but felt a bit breathless sort of like a stock cam!

I would bet advancing and retarding the cam just changes the shape of the power curve about while giving the same peak output.

stockstandard · 03-05-2005, 10:12 PM

lol - maybe its just the JMM cams that need the cam gear (j/k)

if cam grinders cant get it right 90 out of 100 times then I wonder what the factory cams come out like.

As far as picking a cam goes - decide what you want the engine to be like when it is done and how much money you want to spend. With a T5 you have more options. Putting a big cam into a relatively stock engine with the plan of hotting it up later will lead to dissapointment. Big cams need good heads, intake, exhaust and benefit from a chip. If you are not going to do the whole engine at once I would say go for the best bang for your buck now (DEV3?/Crow stage 2/Wade 1004-112), and then upgrade later if it ends up holding you back.

Sox · 04-05-2005, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by stockstandard

lol - maybe its just the JMM cams that need the cam gear (j/k)

Unlikely considering Wade grind them.

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if cam grinders cant get it right 90 out of 100 times then I wonder what the factory cams come out like.

Good question.
I believe that is one of the contributing factors in what produces the great variances in performance between new vehicles.

New car cams are ground by the very same grinders who make our performance cams. Only they need to made even faster with greater tolerances because of the amount being chruned out.

Many people have increased performance by fitting a vernier gear to standard cams and clocking it up to spec.

Rick.

loxxr6 · 04-05-2005, 03:53 PM

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As far as picking a cam goes - decide what you want the engine to be like when it is done and how much money you want to spend. With a T5 you have more options. Putting a big cam into a relatively stock engine with the plan of hotting it up later will lead to dissapointment. Big cams need good heads, intake, exhaust and benefit from a chip. If you are not going to do the whole engine at once I would say go for the best bang for your buck now (DEV3?/Crow stage 2/Wade 1004-112), and then upgrade later if it ends up holding you back.

Good advice. I did the opposite and just whacked in a dev5 with no headwork for the hell of it. Thankfully it worked out alright.

Brenden · 09-05-2005, 11:08 PM

Guys...

All cams
Dev2 thru to dev 5a are $490.00
All cams Dev6 thru T1 to T3 are $590

Springs to suit 3HL to 5a are $220
Springs to suit Dev 6 and all T's are $300

Some springs require special valve spring retainers, please ring for those prices....Dev 3hl to dev5a springs use Std retainers.

JoesAu · 21-05-2005, 11:04 PM

whats the price to get a dev3 cam fitted?? thanks

loxxr6 · 22-05-2005, 08:56 PM

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All cams Dev6 thru T1 to T3 are $590

T1 - T3 ???

Turbo's ?

JoesAu · 24-05-2005, 04:50 PM

is that 590 fitted, what else would i need to change if i went for a performance cam?