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Old 29-06-2009, 05:19 PM   #1
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I bought what was advertised as "Ford Factory manual" on CD off (you guessed it!) eBay.

I don't think it's the Ford Factory manual at all, more like a scanned copy of Max Ellery's manual or a Gregory's one or something.
It's 420 pages long, exactly the same as the Ellery one by coincidence!

This is a scan of the very first page in the document, which is the first Contents page. What do you think? Recognise it?

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Old 29-06-2009, 05:24 PM   #2
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i have the ef gregorys and it doesnt cover el.in fact no fairlane either.deffinetely not gregorys.sorry thats all i can rule out 4 you.
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Old 29-06-2009, 05:54 PM   #3
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Sounds like you have been ripped off. Try this link

http://pdftown.com/Ford-Falcon-BA-2...ice-Manual.html

To view you will have to download a .rar file
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Old 29-06-2009, 10:31 PM   #4
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Meh no point asking here.

Everyone will tell you to shutup and stop giving the seller trouble, since standing up for your rights on here seems to be the morally wrong thing to do.
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Old 29-06-2009, 11:04 PM   #5
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Yeah, great. Really productive response.
Maybe you should go to Ebay yourself and go to "The Round Table". Somebody will listen to what you have to say there...

That aside...

Does the CD look authentic, or is it just a bumb CD with a printed piece of paper pasted on top?
If it was authentic Ford, would it have the Ford logo on it? I would have thought, since it's basically a trademark...

However, I am clearly not 100% sure...
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Old 29-06-2009, 11:50 PM   #6
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That's a Max Ellery's page. In any event, as far as I know none of the CD or online copies of EF/EL workshop manuals are legal - i.e. they have been made without the permission of the copyright holders.
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Old 30-06-2009, 08:19 AM   #7
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The Ford Factory manual was separate for EF & EL, I have the EF one at home and it is definitely longer than 420 pages on it's own.
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Old 30-06-2009, 08:26 AM   #8
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Same formatting as my BA/BF Max Ellerys manual...So I'm guessing it's a scan of an ellerys manual...I paid $45 for mine off Ebay...Mine is a legit hardcopy though.
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Old 30-06-2009, 08:48 AM   #9
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Meh no point asking here.

Everyone will tell you to shutup and stop giving the seller trouble, since standing up for your rights on here seems to be the morally wrong thing to do.
Don't be so stupid.
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Old 30-06-2009, 11:46 AM   #10
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Have you been conned????

In a word yes, i have the Ellery manual in front of me and it is exactly the same as the page you have shown, except for where they have erased the name of the manual from the vehical description at the top of the page.

It should read:

Max Ellerys-EP.F5- Falcon/Fairlane-1994 to 1998.....etc etc

Another give away is the vehical description is not central to the page...ie somthings missing....
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Old 01-07-2009, 11:35 PM   #11
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Max Ellery has also been ripped off.
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Old 08-07-2009, 02:05 PM   #12
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If any one has the name and/or address of this ebay seller Max Ellery, and I expect also his lawyer, would be very interested. You can PM me and I will pass the info on or you can email Max Ellery directly at info@ellery.com.au

Note Max Ellery (see "About Us" at http://www.ellery.com.au/) is a Australian based business and the large volume of illegal pirated CD copies of their manuals being sold on ebay is not doing anything to help keep one of few remaining Australian based,owned and operated automomotive businesses viable. Note I have no official or business connection with Max Ellery other than being one of his many usually anonymous customers. He just contacted me today by telephone over this post to see if I could shed anymore information on the source of these CDs.
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Old 08-07-2009, 02:12 PM   #13
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I'd support Max Ellery manuals if my binding on my AU manual didn't come apart the 3rd time I used it, now having 400 odd loose leaf pages. Of course an email to Max Ellerys came to nothing.

I would have been better off paying $5 for the pirate CD!
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Old 08-07-2009, 02:13 PM   #14
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Max is based in Bendigo on Hattam St. I brought an engine off him 2 years ago.. Nice bloke, sad to see he is being ripped off
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