Toyota 86 price $29,990!

[Shonky.]

Supra would be very cool

[Brazen]

Word on the street is that Toyota Australia have stopped taking orders for the 86 - just not enough supply.

Best bet might be to check out the Subaru in case they have enough stock.

[EFFalcon]

haha thats awesome.

[Full Noise]

Originally Posted by Chopped

And here is one that has been "upgraded" with a V8 from the IS F (Lexus).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUPCwolLrsY
(sounds nice!)

image

I’m wondering how long it will take before modified versions of the 1UZ FE find their way in to an 86 once the car is on the market here. I doubt the emissions compliance of the engine would allow it to be registered, however, I recon you’d be rubbing door handles with a Lotus Elise and having a lot of fun doing it on a track.

I’m sure one of these would look very nice in the engine bay.



I think that this car will set new standards for relatively cheap and more importantly, fun motoring.

I’m looking at a test drive to satisfy my own curiosity.

[RASER]

Originally Posted by Brazen

Word on the street is that Toyota Australia have stopped taking orders for the 86 - just not enough supply.

I doubt that VERY much, EVERY dealer worth his pinch of salt would take EVERY single deposit on Agent86 and tell the customer any sort of quasi lie.

We have seen extreme high demand before, Holden SS V8 Utes, Mazda MX5, MazdaCX5 and even the Golf GTi and its smaller sibling the Polo GTi

Manufacturers catch up in the end, supply increases/demand decreases new model/brand comes out, a better mouse trap comes out and the game starts all over again

[RASER]

Originally Posted by Tribal

I wonder what people would be saying if the FT86 wore a ford badge and was powered by an ecoboost engine...

No need, Ford already have a vehicle that fits into that slot, the..............
MUSTANG MY13, kicks off @ $22k in USA, could well be sold for $29,990 here if Ford really wanted to.

Charge say $5k extra for the V8 [from the std. V6] and i bet EVERY single person would tick the box, extra $5k per sale for Ford.

Ford need to find some passion, what the customers want to buy [F150 Please] and less what they *think* we want [sorry Falcon]

[SteveJH]

Originally Posted by RASER

No need, Ford already have a vehicle that fits into that slot, the..............
MUSTANG MY13, kicks off @ $22k in USA, could well be sold for $29,990 here if Ford really wanted to.

Charge say $5k extra for the V8 [from the std. V6] and i bet EVERY single person would tick the box, extra $5k per sale for Ford.

Ford need to find some passion, what the customers want to buy [F150 Please] and less what they *think* we want [sorry Falcon]

And is the MY13 Mustang engineered for RHD production?

[RASER]

Originally Posted by SteveJH

And is the MY13 Mustang engineered for RHD production?

Yeap, no vision, lots of Fords are made in both LHD and RHD, Mustang is but just another model.

This is another reason why GM & Chrysler went bust, and Ford had to near sell off near everything/assets ie Volvo, Jaguar, L/Rover even its icon badge, [not farm, as in Fairlane] to save itself and just made it over the finish line, while the Asians are booming in sales, total wrong attitude from Americans, all too hard and difficult, just buy what we make, we dont care if u dont like it, and pay me a bonus too, and like i said no vision.

They pioneered cars and mass production, the Asians have taken it to the next level.

[trippytaka]

Originally Posted by Brazen

Word on the street is that Toyota Australia have stopped taking orders for the 86 - just not enough supply.

Best bet might be to check out the Subaru in case they have enough stock.

I have heard subaru is going to have a very lean supply

[trippytaka]

Originally Posted by Full Noise

I’m wondering how long it will take before modified versions of the 1UZ FE find their way in to an 86 once the car is on the market here. I doubt the emissions compliance of the engine would allow it to be registered, however, I recon you’d be rubbing door handles with a Lotus Elise and having a lot of fun doing it on a track.

I’m sure one of these would look very nice in the engine bay.

image

I think that this car will set new standards for relatively cheap and more importantly, fun motoring.

I’m looking at a test drive to satisfy my own curiosity.

It's been done!

Here is it drifting in Japan




http://jalopnik.com/5897997/v8-power...-goes-drifting


LOOKS SICK, SOUNDS AWESOME

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by Fiesta_Man69

Yes mike, the Focus RS is real rubbish hey? Lol

It is at drift racing,

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by Fiesta_Man69

I didn't realise the MX5 was a hot hatch.

to note MX5 is $50K

[Falcman0o7]

Not bad....cool

[Fiesta_Man69]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

It is at drift racing,

Lol. EVO mag describe the BRZ as feeling like a "well sorted front driver" and extremely difficult to get the back to step out, despite the skinny tyres, due to lack of power and torque. So it ain't gonna be any better at drifting (cos that's what you buy the RS for of course) than the hot hatch. The S15 still owns the drift world, btw...

[DBourne]

This evo review seems to like it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RArSO5qreUY

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by Fiesta_Man69

Lol. EVO mag describe the BRZ as feeling like a "well sorted front driver" and extremely difficult to get the back to step out, despite the skinny tyres, due to lack of power and torque. So it ain't gonna be any better at drifting (cos that's what you buy the RS for of course) than the hot hatch. The S15 still owns the drift world, btw...

Lol, your living in a dream world. I don't understand why you are on a rampage? A Toyota owner cut your grass?

http://www.topgear.com/uk/toyota/gt-86/road-test/driven

The GT 86 is light on its feet, not dainty exactly, but super accurate and so well balanced. I know it's not especially relevant, but the ease with which this thing lets go at the back end is so refreshing, and even when not arsing about it's just a joyful thing.

http://www.caradvice.com.au/175631/toyota-86-review/

On the track, it means you have to be smart about the way you attack a corner. You can’t just hook in, stomp on the accelerator and hang the tail all the way out, because it doesn’t necessarily have the horsepower to maintain the drift. You must be disciplined, feed the power on more carefully for a more progressive slide

http://www.carsales.com.au/reviews/2...h-review-30686

Get on the power mid-corner, however, and the front-engined, rear-drive chassis hunkers down and drives hard out of corners with the sort of poise we've not seen before in a Toyota. Ask more of it and the 86 will easily generate power oversteer in the lowest three gears. Not that it ever feels anything but totally adjustable. Want more oversteer? Simply dial in more throttle and the level of opposite lock increases accordingly, until the stability control throws out its subtle anchors.

[MAGPIE]

Originally Posted by Fiesta_Man69

Lol. EVO mag describe the BRZ as feeling like a "well sorted front driver" and extremely difficult to get the back to step out, despite the skinny tyres, due to lack of power and torque. So it ain't gonna be any better at drifting (cos that's what you buy the RS for of course) than the hot hatch. The S15 still owns the drift world, btw...

Was your name Steffo in a former life by any chance

[Nikked]

Seems to drift alright here?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAHFQ...eature=related

[Fiesta_Man69]

Lol. I wouldn't be quoting top gear if you want any credibility.

So let's get this right: 4 different, experienced testers from a magazine with huge sales numbers are all wrong?

Understanding of course, that after EVOs criticisms of the McLaren against 458, McLaren went and made wholesale changes to it's supercar. If McLaren believe EVO know what they're talking about, that's good enough for me.

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by Fiesta_Man69

Lol. I wouldn't be quoting top gear if you want any credibility.

So let's get this right: 4 different, experienced testers from a magazine with huge sales numbers are all wrong?

Understanding of course, that after EVOs criticisms of the McLaren against 458, McLaren went and made wholesale changes to it's supercar. If McLaren believe EVO know what they're talking about, that's good enough for me.

Top gear have more credibility then you.

Funny, in the evo vid, how it a gentle flick, and some throttle lift, the rear end sticks out. Feed it a bit to stick it..

Sounds like a good sports car to me.

And the evo reviews praise it...

http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/276016/toyota_gt_86_review.html

We've driven Toyota's new GT 86 rear-drive sports coupe - and on first impressions, it's brilliant

[Fiesta_Man69]

I believe that was an earlier test, where driving was heavily restricted.

I suggest you read the latest issue: on the cover: "2000 miles in the new BRZ and why it's not good enough." It is then tested by 4 different journalists (a couple who race) and all 4 draw the same conclusion. And like I said, if McLaren is prepared to take their criticisms and make big changes then hey: Id happily say that McLaren has more credibility than anyone on this forum. End of story.

[mike_nofx]

Originally Posted by Nikked

Lol, your living in a dream world. I don't understand why you are on a rampage? A Toyota owner cut your grass?

http://www.topgear.com/uk/toyota/gt-86/road-test/driven




http://www.caradvice.com.au/175631/toyota-86-review/




http://www.carsales.com.au/reviews/2...h-review-30686

Upset because he realised his username is an oxymoron.

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by mike_nofx

Upset because he realised his username is an oxymoron.

Nice one lol

[Fiesta_Man69]

Mike, nikked: you know you've comprehensively lost an arguement when you resort to low brow name calling. I couldn't be bothered taking offence, but I'd say that's game, set, match.

[mike_nofx]

I'm not sure if or why there is an 'arguement' or that anyone has won??

A new car has been released, and it looks to be popular, well priced and RWD.

It doesnt have 1000rwhp or every gadget under the sun. But so what.

To say that one particular Car is crap because one particular magazine said so is crazy. I'll bet for every single car made you could find magazines and reviewers who love it, and those who hate it, sure read them for reference or interest but that's about it.

When someone selects only reviews of a car which support their own negative point of view, when so many reviews are positive, to me that isn't "winning" whatever it is your trying to win. Bet I could find negative and positive articles on fiestas, and select only the negative to show how crap they are....

This thread is about the new Toyota 86, and by all means post your criticisms, but I think your point has well and truly been made, you don't like it.
And yes I don't like FWD, though I don't go into a thread about a new FWD car and bang on thread after thread after thread about how much I don't like it, I've mentioned it in this thread a few times because YOU can't seem to understand that my opinion differs from yours.

[nstg8a]

proof will be when you get to drive it... not go off what joe blow in another country thinks of it.

dont really understand all the vitriol against this car, mainly from one or two members.

its a well priced, small rwd car, with a ton of potential. fail to see why all the hate?
car version of ***** envy maybe?

[tranquilized]

Motoring magazines are written by motoring journalists.
Motoring Journalists are people.
People have opinions.
Opinions are based on experiences, prejudices, and biases.

I read Wheels regularly, but hold some writers opinions higher than others (within the same magazine) Wheels COTY winners dont have much to do with the opinions of some of their contributing writers - its a criteria/voting system, quite different to the usual comparison methods.

Peter Robinson was the Wheels journo who put the 86 ahead of the Cayman. He's been driving and writing about cars all around the world - yes, even Europe, for decades. Ferrari banned him from their plush journalist facilities in Italy the 90's cause he was the only journo with the guts to write what he really thought of one of their cars. (in Wheels) The guy does have credibility, even though he doesn't race. (like most of us)

Every review I've read of the Toyota and Subaru has been overwhelmingly positive - Wheels, Motor Trend, Car Advice - plus a few others I cant remember. So all of those publications, and the rest, is wrong, and EVO is right? EVO being out on their own would call into question their own credibility more than anything else.

My main point is, not all journos will agree, and you wont agree with all journos. You find a journo/publication who's priorities/rating system is compatible with your own, and you have a good source of information for your next purchase/forum argument. Doesn't mean the other publication/enthusiast is wrong - they're just looking at it differently and/or have different expectations/requirements.

If the 86 is too underpowered for you, thats fine, move on. Why try to convince everyone its rubbish because it doesn't meet ONE of YOUR criteria?

[The Monty]

I have a feeling Fiesta_Man69 has no idea what this car is about. Do you not know who Tak, Iggy and the Takahashi brothers are?

[flappist]

The personal attacks will stop now.

[Kryton]

Originally Posted by trippytaka

I have heard subaru is going to have a very lean supply

201 to be exact.