VFACTS October 2013 - Page 6

Gadgetman · 08-11-2013, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by vztrt

Isn't the lancer at the end of its model run?

Yes it is. That design is now nearly 7 years old. Same goes for the mondeo. Actually I must say for a 7 year design, the mondeo still looks a great car particularly in titanium hatch/wagon. Its just the interior is starting to date in its appearance. None the less a diesel wagon in the new model has me written all over it.

**russellw** · 08-11-2013, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Express

Fair enough, have I read the charts wrong?

No - just an error in the source data for the chart. As pointed out the Lancer is down 18% this year. I will update the graph shortly.

Cheers
Russ

MrZ · 08-11-2013, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by vztrt

Isn't the lancer at the end of its model run?

Yes but there's a difference between that, and being in "run out mode" (like the Mazda3 is at the moment). A new Lancer hasn't even been revealed yet, so Mitsubishi are in trouble in 2014 if Lancer sales continue to slide.

burnz · 08-11-2013, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MrZ

Um, yes they are.

no they are "not"...
VFACTs are registered cars...
holden is not HSV and HSV is not holden.

by your logic mazda sales include falcon.

MrZ · 08-11-2013, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by burnz

no they are "not"...
VFACTs are registered cars...
holden is not HSV and HSV is not holden.

by your logic mazda sales include falcon.

Doesn't matter. HSV use a body provided by Holden and slap a badge on it. Does that make it not a Holden? VFACTs don't think so. HSV have always been counted in the Commodore figure.

burnz · 08-11-2013, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MrZ

Doesn't matter. HSV use a body provided by Holden and slap a badge on it. Does that make it not a Holden? VFACTs don't think so. HSV have always been counted in the Commodore figure.

the car would be counted twice if that were the case, two different car companies.

Vfacts are road registed, nothing more.
you cant count something that hasent been registed.

MrZ · 08-11-2013, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by burnz

the car would be counted twice if that were the case, two different car companies.

Vfacts are road registed, nothing more.
you cant count something that hasent been registed.

I don't see your point. HSVs have to be registered as well. Their figure is not counted separately by VFACTs, so what are you saying, that there's a few thousand cars missing from the annual tally each year? I don't think so.

Bossxr8 · 08-11-2013, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by burnz

no they are "not"...
VFACTs are registered cars...
holden is not HSV and HSV is not holden.

by your logic mazda sales include falcon.

You have no clue. HSV's are included in Holden sales, always have been. There is no listing of HSV in the Vfacts figures, they are all included with Holden.

I get the whole report sent to me at work. It's the same as FPV, those sales are counted with Ford.

burnz · 08-11-2013, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

You have no clue. HSV's are included in Holden sales, always have been. There is no listing of HSV in the Vfacts figures, they are all included with Holden.

I get the whole report sent to me at work. It's the same as FPV, those sales are counted with Ford.

HSV do not release there sales figures to vfacts, holden sales are just that "holden"

MrZ · 08-11-2013, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by burnz

HSV do not release there sales figures to vfacts, holden sales are just that "holden"

I don't buy it, but I'm going to contact VFACTs on Monday just to prove you wrong.

Smoke Pursuit · 08-11-2013, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by burnz

HSV do not release there sales figures to vfacts, holden sales are just that "holden"

Bullshite

stevz · 08-11-2013, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by burnz

no they are "not"...
VFACTs are registered cars...
holden is not HSV and HSV is not holden.

by your logic mazda sales include falcon.

HSV's are registered as Holdens just as FPV's are registered as Fords. They are not treated as separate brands.

Express · 08-11-2013, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by russellw

No - just an error in the source data for the chart. As pointed out the Lancer is down 18% this year. I will update the graph shortly.

Cheers
Russ

Thanks for the update, that explains why I’m not seeing Lancers at every street corner.

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csv8 · 08-11-2013, 11:51 PM

Camo photo of 2015 Lancer

Express · 09-11-2013, 12:10 AM

I don't like that colour scheme, it's too busy for me.

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Dr Smith · 09-11-2013, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

So where do we picture Ford in 2017?

Loosing Falcon, Territory and Ute is atleast 2500 sales so that would put them 7th, possibly 8th.

But then we can add...

Mustang? 300-500 a month if priced properly
Everest? 500-1000 maybe?
Ecosport? Couple of hundred?
Territory replacement? 1000?

What else? new Transits probably wont add much?
So in reality Ford are going to be in the same position in 4 years than they are now I suspect? Assuming other brands dont get more popular

To be frank when Ford goes full importer it won't have to "protect" it's locally produced cars. Up to now Ford Aust. had to keep it's local production numbers up at the expense of bringing in every available model from their overseas divisions. Running a factory here has meant considering the effect of any potential sales stealing models from O/S. This won't be the case post 2016 so while there won't be real big numbers of single models apart from say Ranger there hopefully should be growth in total market share.

Transit will include a VW Caddy competitor, a van in 1 tonne class and a larger model in MB Sprinter/VW Crafter class.

P6LTD351 · 09-11-2013, 10:01 AM

Lol at an HSV not being a Holden. Lol and more lol.

Anyway v facts is about registrations. An HSV is registered once and included in Commodore sales. You know why? Because it IS a Commodore - as much as some of their owners think otherwise. Same with FPV.

Just don't call my Ghia a Falcon! Lol.

**russellw** · 09-11-2013, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DASH GT

Bullshite

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Originally Posted by MrZ

I don't buy it, but I'm going to contact VFACTs on Monday just to prove you wrong.

HSV and FPV sales are incorporated into their respective parent models and not reported separately by VFACTs. The figures that we used for our stats came from FPV and HSV themselves at least until someone in FoA decided they were commercially sensitive.

Cheers
Russ

jpd80 · 09-11-2013, 02:59 PM

More like embarrassing than commercially sensitive....

Syndrome · 09-11-2013, 05:34 PM

For those who actually receive the vfacts reports, they will clearly see there are no sales listed for either FPV or HSV. These are and have been for a long time grouped with the Falcon and Commodore sales respectively.

Dr Smith · 10-11-2013, 11:47 AM

Why can't Vfacts numbers be taken from the various state & territory government deptartments like Vicroads etc.. with the removal of vehicles registered in dealership or car company names to counter "boosting sales".

1TUFFUTE · 10-11-2013, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Smith

Why can't Vfacts numbers be taken from the various state & territory government deptartments like Vicroads etc.. with the removal of vehicles registered in dealership or car company names to counter "boosting sales".

More effort then is really needed i spose. The figures catch up pretty quickly so there's no faking it for very long!

Windsor220 · 10-11-2013, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Smith

Why can't Vfacts numbers be taken from the various state & territory government deptartments like Vicroads etc.. with the removal of vehicles registered in dealership or car company names to counter "boosting sales".

It doesn't really matter because all manufacturers do it so it balances out. Its not really boosting sales they are just company drive cars that get replaced every few months. When I worked for Holden they had no extra licensed stock than anyone else.

unkey · 11-11-2013, 08:46 PM

Are there no detailed sales figures by manufacturer this month ???

MrZ · 11-11-2013, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by unkey

Are there no detailed sales figures by manufacturer this month ???

We already have Ford.

Holden:

Commodore 3315
Captiva 7 1292
Colorado 1263
Captiva 5 685
Ute 615
Barina 566
Malibu 192
Caprice 183

(Missing: Spark, Colorado 7)

Toyota:

Corolla 3861
Hilux 3172
Camry 2251
RAV4 1598
Yaris 1327
Kluger 1090
Land Cruiser 640
Aurion 599
86 598
FJ Cruiser 241

(Missing: Prado and others)

Hyundai:

i30 2379
i20 1732
ix35 1480
Veloster 379
i40 197

(Missing: Santa Fe, Elantra, Accent)

Mitsubishi:

Triton 1836
ASX 833
Lancer 802
Mirage 592

(Missing: Outlander, Challenger, Pajero)

The Stylist · 12-11-2013, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by csv8

Camo photo of 2015 Lancer

If only that was hehe. It's actually the next WRX under all that camo. I've yet to see any spy shots of the next Lancer, but they shouldn't be far off.