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I wonder if Chinese 8HP also has an affordable hybrid version with motor instead of torque converter (Pretty sure that’s the case) |
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"a couple of mods"
that was the design brief for the north american ranger. they better be damn sure thats what they are going to do for china as there ain't nobody left around who can do more than that. |
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How can they deliver a Wildtrak like that for $9,000 less than the $65,000 Ute we had last decade? |
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What was the average number of people in the Ranger design team over the 5 years prior to the big lay off? And how many are there now? This is in Victoria. |
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To sell it....what's that corporate comment on pricing?..."we price our products to meet market conditions and regulalrly assess these factors".......translated into..."we can charge more in Australia because everyone gets away with higher margins while in China that isn't quite as possible."
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Just a guess but I reckon they could start here from $50k for wildtrak and still turn a profit. They are manufactured in a mega factory in Thailand. Economies of scale. Ford are laughing all the way to the bank. They are very pleased that Australia follow US trends rather than Euro trends.
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Much of the work got moved overseas, but North America and Europe have just gone through massive layoffs too. it's sad, but I do feel we are seeing the end days of Ford Australia as a design centre, and I'm expecting decision in the next few years to movve Ranger work to FNA |
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Also Ford are bleeding so much money on their ev s
That they have to cut costs Have to cut costs To survive And satisfy shareholders And un related I think peak Ford has been reached in Aus Byd ute/ Kia Ute/ Chinese takeaway utes will all slowly eat Ford Ute Australia market share |
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While not immune, I think Toyota and Ford and maybe Isuzu will come out alright. Kia, Mitsubishi, Nissan, GWM, Mazda will be fighting it amongst themselves for the rest of the pie.
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10-01-2024, 03:23 PM | #16 | ||
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Tesla basically has the global electric market to itself , only a small percentage of buyers at other brands
are willing to buy a BEV. Well, there is BYD too but most sane people shudder when someone talks seriously about buying one…. |
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10-01-2024, 04:58 PM | #17 | |||
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"BYD overtook Tesla to be the world's no1 electric car maker. BYD reportedly sold 526,409 electric vehicles in the fourth quarter, compared with 484,507 Teslas. Although Tesla retained its title as world’s number one EV seller in 2023, with 1.8 million customers (up 38 per cent) compared with 1.6 million (up 73 per cent) for BYD. However, BYD also sold more than 400,000 plug-in hybrids and 3 million vehicles overall." https://www.news.com.au/technology/m...cles%20overall.
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There was a BYD Seal in the local Westfield mall the other day. I stopped to have a look and the young sales guy mentioned overtaking tesla in sales for the quarter. I thought he was being selective with the stats but turns out he wasn't.
It was an impressive looking car too I thought.
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German buyers in particular seems to have something against BYDs coming into their country but, maybe that has to do with its own domestic brands coming under fire from Tesla and other EVs. |
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Mind you I don't think Ford will survive the EV transition.
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13-01-2024, 10:43 AM | #22 | ||
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Of course they will.
Just because EV utes and suv's are being made I believe it will be a while before there is confidence to buy them. Many believe these types of cars are currently not being used for their intended purpose but I don't. I think the majority of them are bought for work or play purposes. How they are paid for is a different story. Due to that I think it's a while before EV's will be trusted with commercial duties or in the bush recreation. In theory, they will work but it's not just about range. It's about being able to get back on the road quickly in the event of a breakdown etc. It will be interesting to see what direction that industry goes in long term though. For now I think EV utes and Everest /landcruiser size SUV's are a few years away yet.
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I don't think they have the ability in management for change, its not their engineering team thats the problem, its the way their management thinks and moves. Its going to be an extremely expensive transition, or they'll be hobbled modifying existing platforms for EV retrofit because of their huge capital investment in tooling, where as people like Tesla had the advantage of having nothing and being able to make things in modern ways and designs. |
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The change in interest in 2023 was breath taking, the 200k odd reservations for Lightning virtually disappeared in a matter of months once those higher interest rates began to bite. Ford is currently building a huge plant in Kentucky to make 600k/year BEV F150s but if they can’t sell over 50,000 Lightnings in a year, that plant must be heavily curtailed. Quote:
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it’s in the hundreds but Ford can’t bring itself to confess that in official sales figures. Similarly, other vehicles developed for China only by the Australian team are not working. The sad fact is that those vehicles developed for China would have probably sold better here… For vehicles other than Ranger and Everest, Ford Australia is supposed to rely on Europe but painfully, they cannot supply us with what we want or even their own markets. A request of interest in Ford Maverick and Bronco Sport was made by Ford Australia but as far as e know that fell on deaf ears due to parts shortages over the past few years. Ford has gone back to regional areas looking after their own self interest, ROW like us now need to be better supplied but how or wher those vehicles comes from is anyone’s guess.. Last edited by jpd80; 13-01-2024 at 12:37 PM. |
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