351 vs 360 vs 350

[knighty01]

i'm going to throw this in some other forums just for a laugh, to see if we can decipher an educated overall leader here.. should be interesting results going from a mopar forum to a chev to a ford lol



so who found what to be a more useable engine, who got better EASY horsepower out of what? and why you would pick it.??



but heres the thing, i don't want to just hear the usual v8 supercar banter about someones mill being the greatest, i want to know why??



Cheers.

Knighty

[Ridin-High]

Originally Posted by knighty01

i'm going to throw this in some other forums just for a laugh, to see if we can decipher an educated overall leader here.. should be interesting results going from a mopar forum to a chev to a ford lol



so who found what to be a more useable engine, who got better EASY horsepower out of what? and why you would pick it.??



but heres the thing, i don't want to just hear the usual v8 supercar banter about someones mill being the greatest, i want to know why??



Cheers.

Knighty

350 chev would win easily, has a massive aftermarket in the US

[|||]

the 360 because bigger numbers = better skids

[Allen]

Who cares? Im not going to put a chev of mopar engine in any Ford, so why would I ever think about which is a better more reliable engine?

If your that concerned about it, start with a Dart or World block ;)

[T3man]

Originally Posted by knighty01

but heres the thing, i don't want to just hear the usual v8 supercar banter about someones mill being the greatest, i want to know why??



Cheers.

Knighty

jeez, you don't want much do ya?

[fou_bleu]

351's are bullet-proof! Come'on!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mcnews]

360 as it has by far the strongest bottom end and easy power for cheap $. Has very long stroke which makes for good torque. Track down the rockers from a 273 as they are ductile iron adjustable that are very strong which saves you lots of $ on aftermarket rockers. Standard heads have plenty of meat to hack in to in order to get good flow. Only real drama is getting good off the shelf headers that seal to the head well and clear our right hand drive layout in some cars. 360 engines complete are a dime a dozen and widely available and generally have a decent magnetic trigger electronic ignition set-up on them as far back as the late sixties which is another area dollars can be saved.

If you have an unlimited cheque book and just want to go in a shop and spend lots of money on all the name brand bits then for sure Chevs might be easier. There is nearly as much aftermarket stuff available for 360 Chrysler series small blocks also out of the states of course.

If you want to go auto then Chrysler's 727 Torqueflite is a well regarded transmission and these days can be upgraded to four speed I believe.

[4Vman]

Extremely difficult question and complex topic, and will depend on application etc.. but "generally speaking"...

350 Chev: Avaliable from the factory in many different configurations, 2 bolt, 4 bolt, low compression, high compression, 2 barrel, 4 barrel etc.. depending on combo they made good power, has limited potential in 2 bolt form, the 4 bolt 010 block was stronger, "fuely" heads were the best early factory chev head. Has the worlds biggest aftermarket support, virtually anything is possible "aftermarket".

351C: Similar to the 350 chev in that different head and carbs were offered, 2 bolt and 4 bolt were offered but the 2 bolt is the same block minus the 2 extra bolts and is almost identical in strength. 4V big port heads had enourmous power potential out of the box and as a result the 4V BOSS 351 was the most powerful small block engine ever factory made. 351C has by far the beefiest bottom end and crank out of the 3.
See a 350 chev beside a 351C upside down and its chalk and cheese, the 350 looks realitively weak and less rigid.

360 Chrysler: suspect really, from memory it was designed more as a light truck engine, strange bore stroke relationship, not a performance engine.. but there is a limited supply of stuff for them. nuf said.

[burnz]

basicly what 4v said
as for the other coment about gearbox's
love the 727 "torque/power flite" but still can't go past the 2speed (power glide)

[Falcon Coupe]

Originally Posted by Ridin-High

350 chev would win easily, has a massive aftermarket in the US

What evidence is that statement based on ?


If we are talking aftermarket try this for size:

The annual Engine masters competition in the U.S is dominated by Ford.
Windsor blocks with Clevo heads. (new Clevo block has just hit the market.)

2002: Runner up
2004: 1st and 5th
2006: 1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th.

And my money is on Ford to win this year too.

Against stiff competition from:

Chev
Mopar
Buick
Oldsmobile
Pontiac

Ford came out on top.

http://www.popularhotrodding.com/en...challenge/2006/

http://www.popularhotrodding.com/en...sters/articles/


Final results here

[nugget378]

Just look at where power is made,in the cylinder head there is no contest at all,clevo first daylight second...
Clevo big port heads are best compared to big block heads,if you want to find anything comparable that is...

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by nugget378

Just look at where power is made,in the cylinder head there is no contest at all,clevo first daylight second...
Clevo big port heads are best compared to big block heads,if you want to find anything comparable that is...

Yep, from a power perspective the short motor is just a pump, the heads control the amount of potential power, and on that front the 4V heads are a stand alone winner.

[1TUFFUTE]

my limited knowledge tells me that the chev is crap, the mopar is god, but the 351 is untouchable. Those americans now what to do with em, but those comps mean they are spendind alot off money. Probably not in line with what your asking right...

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

my limited knowledge tells me that the chev is crap, the mopar is god, but the 351 is untouchable. Those americans now what to do with em, but those comps mean they are spendind alot off money. Probably not in line with what your asking right...

Limited knowledge is a dangerous thing...im Blue blooded, but the 350 Chev is a venerable motor, with countless motorsport runs on the board.. but ultimately the 4V bigport Cleveland is a better factory "hot up" prospect, none the less respect needs to be paid to the chev, regardless of brand loyalty..

The only decent mopar products were Hemi V8's.. which were awesome.

[GTPete]

Wasnt the 340 the weapon of choice for the chrysler fans.

[Falcon Coupe]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Limited knowledge is a dangerous thing...im Blue blooded, but the 350 Chev is a venerable motor, with countless motorsport runs on the board.. but ultimately the 4V bigport Cleveland is a better factory "hot up" prospect, none the less respect needs to be paid to the chev, regardless of brand loyalty..

The only decent mopar products were Hemi V8's.. which were awesome.

Agreed, there are some dam tough Chev's around.
Mopars ? i like the 440 !

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

Agreed, there are some dam tough Chev's around.
Mopars ? i like the 440 !

Yep, i hate to admit it but the small block chev is a damn good engine, BUT.. mostly because of what the aftermarket has done for it, not so much what can be achieved with factory made parts.
If we're talking STRICTLY "factory" here the bigport clevo is a standout amongst the small block world.

Honerable mention to the 426 Hemi for factory stakes though, along with the Ford 427 "hemi" SOHC, and Chev LS7 454.

[Walkinshaw]

It would be fantatsic to see the links to where you have asked the same question on chev/mopar sites?

Chev 350 is the mainstay of pushrod v8's. Huge aftermarket support and as mentioned above no failure of runs on the board. (early 2bolt 2bbl units right though to the LT1 32valve beast)

Mopar 360...as mentioned above I would have expected to see a 351/350/340 comparison not 360....

351c. 4V cantered heads, 270-300cfm stock. end of story.

[Quasi]

Originally Posted by GTPete

Wasnt the 340 the weapon of choice for the chrysler fans.

Not just Mopar fans. This was just about unbeatable on the track....just ask Richard Petty.

As a Mopar man from way back, and somebody who is eagerly awaiting the 2008 Challenger (if we get it here), I like the 360. At the same time I have had a couple of nasty 351 Clevos, so it's a tough choice as each has it's good points. The Clevo revs better, but if you can pull more torque at lower revs then why not.

Really it comes down to make of vehicle, for engine choice. Personally though the 340 is a better proposition than either of them if it is going into a Chrysler product.

[Walkinshaw]

Originally Posted by knighty01

i'm going to throw this in some other forums just for a laugh, to see if we can decipher an educated overall leader here.. should be interesting results going from a mopar forum to a chev to a ford lol

Be carefull Knighty, educated and forum shouldn't be used in the same paragraph.

[RACE38]

Hi Lads,
While putting my MOPAR hat back on, the MOPAR 360 is the winner hands down, no if's no but's...

They get some serious HP outta the mighty MOPAR in the USA and Canada, and the reason is MOPAR stuff is layed on over there.
Where as "ANY" media on the Big 3 here was so lop sided it wasn't funny.

They never compared apples with apples, and thus the Motoring Media gave the readers their opinion and it was deemed fact. WRONG

They always compared a 351 & at that point a 308 or a 350 that were packing a 4BBl carb and free flowing exhaust where the 360 & the 318 was packing a wheezy 2BBL and an exhaust system about the same diameter as your "NUDGER".

MOPAR was always behind the 8 ball, even with the fact that the E55 340 was gonna be raced at Bathurst as the next giant killer to the E38 & E49 R/T Charger. Again a Myth!
The E55 "WAS NEVER" gonna be a Bathurst Race Car, and I can back myself up here as I was the Owner/Editor of Australia's most successful Mopar Magazine.

Even the tuff as teak 340 was crippled by a 318 cam shaft, and a Torque Flite auto, no manual was avaliable.

Put simply a 340 or a 360 is easy to get good grunt out of!

I agree the 351 is a TRUE performer, the Chev is simply everywhere and go fast goodies are availble EVERYWHERE from Real Estate Agents to general Lolly Shops!
Ya can shove ya Chev's! A good bit of chain and a Chev will give you a great mooring for ya boat if ya use enough concrete.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by Quasi

Not just Mopar fans. This was just about unbeatable on the track....just ask Richard Petty.

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now now.... lets not get too carried away... dont forget NASCAR banned the 4V HEAD because it was too dominant.. and they also banned a few other alloy versions too..

[56L]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

now now.... lets not get too carried away... dont forget NASCAR banned the 4V HEAD because it was too dominant.. and they also banned a few other alloy versions too..

true true,mr petty never really had to go head to head with a cleveland as they were banned from nascar and countless other sanctions due to an UNFAIR advantage
to add to falcon coupe said ,i am sure only one 350 chev turned up to the engine masters last year and even jon kaase couldnt topple the cleveland with all his knowledge.Even though that limited mods are allowed i wouldnt be concerned if they raised the bar a bit ,go the 4v,s

[Racecraft]

from an average punter that heads to the drags each week, I'll take the question to mean what is best for me: What would I build if I wanted a fast 'budget' (ie 20k) or less combo.
1. 350 Chev, plethora of bits and a huge wealth of runs on the board
2. Clevo but not in 351 form would be the new benchmark but 15k for 650hp + driveline to match would blow my 20k budget.
3. I have seen a few mean 360's but as my knowledge of the Chrysler is as limited to calling it a Valiant I'd not throw my coin at it wihout alot more background research.

[Quasi]

Don't make me laugh.

Why do you think Chrysler pulled out of racing in the USA? The political wrangling and rule changes in Trans Am and NASCAR during the 70s, designed to stop Mopar products from winning, are legendary.

In fact Petty was so dominant, it was believed he was running a big block, as he had in years past, when in fact it was a 340.

[schnoods]

360 for sure. Just not the ones we got over here.

The one in my CL has a crappy 2 barrel 500 holley (standard fitment), single pea shooter exhaust (standard again) and apparently a torquey camshaft more suited to towing / low revs than power and revs.

But a have had the priveledge to ride shotgun in a Plymouth Duster 360 and boy did it fly.

[Walkinshaw]

Nascar outlawed the Hemi, Ford 427, Ford 429 and the 351c. Mopar weren't the only one's hamstrung by Nascar.

[chevypower]

All 3 of those engines are dinosaurs by todays standards, but I have found the 350 to be better, it seemed to run more efficiently, had a nicer rev range, parts were more available and cheaper

[FPV70]

I found the 351 better, however, I have had nothing to do with the 360 and I am lead to believe they are a great motor.
The dealings I have had with 351 Clevos and 350 Chevs though have been numerous.
I have a 351 in an XY Panel Van has 20 thou over bore, small towing cam, standard 302 heads off 83 XE Falcon, Edlebrock performer manifold, Yella Terra roller rockers and a 750 Vac Sec carby. This car has no aero dynamics at all and is like a besser block but this little motor gets is down the quarter mile in 13.82 sec @ 99.98 Mph (not happy I didn't get the tonne).
all it took for this motor was to open up the airways a bit more and away she went.
Yeah sure the same could be said for the 350 but a friend of mine with a HG GTS Monaro had a 350 in it with bucket loads of work done like Maximum over bore, Big solid cam, Fuelie heads, Victor jnr intake manifold, 650 or 750 DP and only ran 13.03 @ 103 mph.
Not to mention the physical size of the motors. The 351 Clevo is a very large motor with big pistons and head ports where as the 350 chev is more like 302 Windsor size and personally to me, the bigger the better.
Just my 2c, Happy motoring all

[RIPGMH]

Can the thread starter clarify what he wants to know? Stock, basic mods or unlimited budget?