Driving Restrictions and the new laws. note*** Rant

[R0BD0G]

Driving Restrictions and the new laws.

Ok. Im fine with how the new laws and regulations have all us young people out of high performance vehicles and anything with more than 8 cylinders or a non-naturally aspirated motor. But there is 1 big problem that will start to affect a lot of young drivers if it isnt already affecting them.

The cost of ULP constantly going up. With how these new laws and regulations have us having to do 100 hours of driving on our learner permit, it will be hitting quite a few people hard. With petrol at something around the $1.50 mark it is almost un fit and un just that all young drivers will have to be doing that amount of driving.

If you can look at it. However unlikely it may be. That all driving done for one person was constant highway driving at 100 km/h. That particular person would spend $900 on fuel just on there learners permit. Assuming that the average person is driving a small 4 cylinder.

Ex. 2007 Ford Fiesta LX 3 door. 6.6L per 100km. 45-Litre fuel tank.
Ends up costing roughly $67 to fill a tank with fuel at $1.50.,
$9.90 per 100km,
At highway driving speed 100km/h is $900 per 100 hours.

For the average person this may not seem like a lot of money. But for a 16 year old. It is. At $67 per tank full this would take a fair chunk out of what this person would be likely earning per week. And some people will say. That still doesn’t seem like that much. But if you are trying to pay off the particular car, putting aside living expenses and possibly paying rent to you parents/ real estate agent or private owner which can be in excess of $300 per fortnight it doesn’t exactly leave anything for you.

The point of this. I believe the government needs to look very carefully at this new burden they have placed upon teen’s trying to simply hold a license. 50 hours would be manageable. But please have a look at the laws.

RDC

[Lightning Strike XR6]

But i think the best way to get your hours up is to drive every chance you have eg drive to school sport ect.

Not really drive to get your hours up you will easily get your 100hrs up just doing everyday driving.

[HLC]

speaking of learner laws, at about 11:15am yesterday, i saw a Learner on the M4 at Eastern Creek driving a 307 kilowatt VE HSV GTS : : :

[RG]

You need the experience on your L's. No questions, no arguments.

If you can't afford the experience, you can't afford a licence. It IS as simple as that.

[MITCHAY]

Originally Posted by Russell

You need the experience on your L's. No questions, no arguments.

If you can't afford the experience, you can't afford a licence. It IS as simple as that.

Agree with you there 100%. Everyone has to fork out for petrol and it's not like 100hrs is anywhere enough experience to begin with.

[lostdude]

You just based all your assumptions on people deliberatly going out to drive pointless around just to fill up the hours.
You'll find that the majority are driving every opportunity they get when going out with parents and this is how i learnt otherwise it is just too expensive, also your 50 hours could equal 100 hours to the log book. though you didn't hear this from me.

[XR8 Uterous]

Honestly who pays for petrol on their L's though?

Originally Posted by HLC

speaking of learner laws, at about 11:15am yesterday, i saw a Learner on the M4 at Eastern Creek driving a 307 kilowatt VE HSV GTS : : :

You should of seen the looks i got driving dads GT, or nans E350 merc, it was hilarious!

[daniel_rossy]

Yeah..you cant put a price on safety.
I see where your coming from, but really at the end of the day we dont want drop kick P platers dropping burnouts, when if they had the hours they may realise it is dangorous eg. they may of almost lost control on that dirt road on there L's and it may of knocked some sence into them of not to do it again

[Powdered Toast Man]

Everytime you go somewhere in the car with your parents (or other fully licenced driver), you drive. That way you aren't paying for fuel for a drive just so you can get up the hours. And that is really the whole point anyway, for you to drive in all conditions, all occasions, short/long trips etc.

The hours law is so that you have enough experience to safely drive on your own once you have a licence and dont wrap your car around a tree, a pedestrian, a fence, or someone elses car.

[buickman]

Originally Posted by EL XR6

Honestly who pays for petrol on their L's though?

I've always paid for my children to learn to drive either in one of the family cars or driving lessons. My wife and I even brought each one their 1st car.

You need the experience on your L's. No questions, no arguments.

If you can't afford the experience, you can't afford a licence. It IS as simple as that.

Totally agree .
I wonder why a parent would make their children pay for fuel as the more experience the safer the driver and less worries of the P platers 1st year for the parents and the insurance claims.

[89.SVO]

Originally Posted by HLC

speaking of learner laws, at about 11:15am yesterday, i saw a Learner on the M4 at Eastern Creek driving a 307 kilowatt VE HSV GTS : : :

in Vic on yout learners you can drive anything. but on your P's your restricted. now how does that work???? used:

[89.SVO]

and i'm a fellow P-plater. i'm stuck driving a N/A 6 cyl.

[RG]

Originally Posted by EB S-pac

in Vic on yout learners you can drive anything. but on your P's your restricted. now how does that work???? used:

Because on your L's you have an experienced driver with you who at all times is supposed to be in control of the vehicle.

[XR8 Uterous]

Originally Posted by daniel_rossy

Yeah..you cant put a price on safety.
I see where your coming from, but really at the end of the day we dont want drop kick P platers dropping burnouts, when if they had the hours they may realise it is dangorous eg. they may of almost lost control on that dirt road on there L's and it may of knocked some sence into them of not to do it again

You could make L-Platers do 500 hours over 10 years, and you will still have P-Platers doing burnouts... also why single out P-Platers here? Or is it only P-Platers who do burnouts? Once you get your full licence you magically become this 'angel' of a driver who never speeds, does burnouts, or drives dangerously?

[89.SVO]

Originally Posted by Russell

Because on your L's you have an experienced driver with you who at all times is supposed to be in control of the vehicle.

but all it takes is a powerful car, inexperience and a bit too much throttle and they loose it

[89.SVO]

Originally Posted by EL XR6

You could make L-Platers do 500 hours over 10 years, and you will still have P-Platers doing burnouts... also why single out P-Platers here? Or is it only P-Platers who do burnouts? Once you get your full licence you magically become this 'angel' of a driver who never speeds, does burnouts, or drives dangerously?

there you go!!!!! your so right. i drive down my street and the neighbours always look. as soon as i got my Falcon, put a decent stereo in, lowered it and tinted the windows i got the label of the hoon in the street.

but beforehand when i had my XF with a big stereo and nearly stock height they didn't say much

[RG]

Originally Posted by EB S-pac

but all it takes is a powerful car, inexperience and a bit too much throttle and they loose it

True and that happened not too long ago. I think it was near Castlemaine where a 17 y.o was driving their parents HSV. Went off the road a bit, put a tyre into the gravel, over corrected and accelerated and hit a 3 ton truck coming the other way killing (IIRC) all 5 in the car. One was an exchange student from overseas.

The thing is that if you ban L platers from performance vehicles and that is all that their parents have then you have the issue of them not being able to get experience.

[vanman_75]

young people probly dont have as much chance of driving before their l's these days .and seriously with city traffic even experienced people get in trouble .100 hours na i reckon 500 would be better as you only get 1 chance .im not preaching but have lost too many close friends ,suck it up i say you will be better for it

[MitchG]

I also saw a L plater in a yellow typhoon last week,

i dont think i got any where near 100 hours on my Ls, my driving instructor just said i was ready after about 4 lessons, never had to pay for petrol once, i did pay for the lessons out of my own pocket, & i never paid for petrol while driving my perants cars.

[Booka]

They are lucky to only pay $67 a week on fuel.... im paying over $130 a week, this includes the weekend play, and im not a lead foot i drive a 4wd that is needed for work. its BS and driving dads falcon im paying just over $80 a week, I have 150+ hours up atm i cant get my licence untill september

Cheers Booka

[Skotty]

Originally Posted by jonnomc

But i think the best way to get your hours up is to drive every chance you have eg drive to school sport ect.

Not really drive to get your hours up you will easily get your 100hrs up just doing everyday driving.

Thats what my gf done on her L's, drove to school, home from school, and then when she went to and from netball she drove, and about 500km on a mount gambier trip we done. got her hours up in no time!

[89.SVO]

Originally Posted by Russell

True and that happened not too long ago. I think it was near Castlemaine where a 17 y.o was driving their parents HSV. Went off the road a bit, put a tyre into the gravel, over corrected and accelerated and hit a 3 ton truck coming the other way killing (IIRC) all 5 in the car. One was an exchange student from overseas.

The thing is that if you ban L platers from performance vehicles and that is all that their parents have then you have the issue of them not being able to get experience.

Castlemaine? do you live near Bendigo?

[RG]

Originally Posted by EB S-pac

Castlemaine? do you live near Bendigo?

Other way mate, the good side of Castlemaine...Ballarat :

[89.SVO]

oh i heard Ballarat is . lol. we stole the hoon capital title lol

[zetec]

Originally Posted by Kermit 73

Driving Restrictions and the new laws.

Ok. Im fine with how the new laws and regulations have all us young people out of high performance vehicles and anything with more than 8 cylinders or a non-naturally aspirated motor. But there is 1 big problem that will start to affect a lot of young drivers if it isnt already affecting them.

The cost of ULP constantly going up. With how these new laws and regulations have us having to do 100 hours of driving on our learner permit, it will be hitting quite a few people hard. With petrol at something around the $1.50 mark it is almost un fit and un just that all young drivers will have to be doing that amount of driving.

If you can look at it. However unlikely it may be. That all driving done for one person was constant highway driving at 100 km/h. That particular person would spend $900 on fuel just on there learners permit. Assuming that the average person is driving a small 4 cylinder.

Ex. 2007 Ford Fiesta LX 3 door. 6.6L per 100km. 45-Litre fuel tank.
Ends up costing roughly $67 to fill a tank with fuel at $1.50.,
$9.90 per 100km,
At highway driving speed 100km/h is $900 per 100 hours.

For the average person this may not seem like a lot of money. But for a 16 year old. It is. At $67 per tank full this would take a fair chunk out of what this person would be likely earning per week. And some people will say. That still doesn’t seem like that much. But if you are trying to pay off the particular car, putting aside living expenses and possibly paying rent to you parents/ real estate agent or private owner which can be in excess of $300 per fortnight it doesn’t exactly leave anything for you.

The point of this. I believe the government needs to look very carefully at this new burden they have placed upon teen’s trying to simply hold a license. 50 hours would be manageable. But please have a look at the laws.

RDC

I read something about Grasshoppers the other day.... always blaming the government. You should have a read.

100 hours is not enough, nor is the training of an adequate level that even after 100 hours could most of the Learner's know how to control a car genuinely in all conditions.

No Learner does 100 hours of individual trips just for learning. I certainly only did for the first few, then it was driving the family or Mum to do errands and go places we were already going. Like driving to school every moning with Mum.

Most Learners also don't know about correct tyre pressure, checking oil etc.

Show me a QANTAS pilot who's dad taught them to get their licence randomly before they got their job.

Time to think before opening one's mouth and blaming the government for everything.

[Daymoe]

Originally Posted by Russell

Because on your L's you have an experienced driver with you who at all times is supposed to be in control of the vehicle.

I don't know about you, but my parents cars don't have dual controls where they can control the pedals in case i do something dangerous. Lets say i take off under full throttle, car flicks sideways and heads for the 100 year old tree on the side of the road, whats my Dad going to do? Yank the steering wheel and make it even worse? Or yell at me? Not saying i do these things or even have a powerful enough car to go sidways but using this as an example.

You could make L-Platers do 500 hours over 10 years, and you will still have P-Platers doing burnouts... also why single out P-Platers here? Or is it only P-Platers who do burnouts? Once you get your full licence you magically become this 'angel' of a driver who never speeds, does burnouts, or drives dangerously?

Exactly my point, its nice and easy to point the finger. You guys aren't exactly the gods of driving either.

[JAZSXY]

Originally Posted by jonnomc

But i think the best way to get your hours up is to drive every chance you have eg drive to school sport ect.

Not really drive to get your hours up you will easily get your 100hrs up just doing everyday driving.

Exactly you dont just have to take the car out for the sake of getting your 100hrs up. If your parents are going out to do shopping, visit relo's etc just offer to drive to meet your quota.

[Daymoe]

Originally Posted by JAZSXY

Exactly you dont just have to take the car out for the sake of getting your 100hrs up. If your parents are going out to do shopping, visit relo's etc just offer to drive to meet your quota.

Its all fine and dandy to say that, but when you have your mum in the car telling you to pull over because she doesn't want you driving in traffic means you never get the hours up.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by zetec

Show me a QANTAS pilot who's dad taught them to get their licence randomly before they got their job.

No that is Virgin Blue.... (as long as dad was an 89er)

[Escort_RPDriver]

i reckon the l plater should get these restrictions just like the p plater the first car i ever drove was my big sister gemini,
the she got a lancer and then i went back and forth between her lancer and the old mans VS even drove the other sister laser then i got my ps and i drove the sister laser for 2 months on my own the we got the vb registered and i started driving that until i crashed it then i bought my escort witch isn't as much fun on the roads as the vb, dam crappy automatic escorts lose power through the trance