RECALL - Ford FG/FG MK II Falcon XT EcoLPi sedan

[Russ]

Not sure if this has been posted yet but thought it might be of interest to some

http://www.recalls.gov.au/content/in...itemId/1045520

[Brazen]

I wonder what size they have put on. Too bad it doesn't affect Utes. Could of got a free set of tyres!

[XtRmn8]

The cars left the factory floor with incorrect tyre size?

Talk about quality control.

[mik]

i wonder if you get to keep the old tyres? spares for the trailer .

[Bushbasher]

That'd be an easy recall you'd think. Most of the vehicles sold would have been fleet and would have worn out the original tyres and be on new rubber by now so there wouldn't be anything to do.

[Benjamin Smith]

Originally Posted by Bushbasher

That'd be an easy recall you'd think. Most of the vehicles sold would have been fleet and would have worn out the original tyres and be on new rubber by now so there wouldn't be anything to do.

That most likely how the problem was found

[STINKY NINJA]

Typical,ford q/c is just rubbish...

[cobramania]

Originally Posted by Bushbasher

That'd be an easy recall you'd think. Most of the vehicles sold would have been fleet and would have worn out the original tyres and be on new rubber by now so there wouldn't be anything to do.

Thing is, how many people go to their tyre place, look at the size of the tyres they currently have & say I want ... of this size tyre please? (Most I would say).

I've also seen many a people go into the tyre store to get new tyres & the salesman comes out, looks at the current tyres/size & goes back in to replace with like for like.

The vast majority of people wouldn't know what tyres their car was "supposed" to have on.

Most fleet managers don't organise everything, they just say to the driver of the vehicle, it's due for new tyres, take it here. Then the above applies, they look to see what's on there currently, or the tyre salesman does.

[XplosiveR6]

Originally Posted by TE 220

Typical,ford q/c is just rubbish...

Yea, your right, because no other company has ever had a recall before...

[STINKY NINJA]

Originally Posted by XplosiveR6

Yea, your right, because no other company has ever had a recall before...

Putting the wrong size tyres on is just plain dumb!
Fair enough a recalled part may fail over time but fitting the wrong part from the factory is just unforgiveable.
Ford in general has gone to the dogs and i for one will never ever get a new ford again and ive loved fords my whole life

[Chopped]

The person in charge of the tyre size quality control was last seen headed to the airport.....

(Do Ford make tyres ?)

[Joe5619]

Originally Posted by TE 220

Putting the wrong size tyres on is just plain dumb!
Fair enough a recalled part may fail over time but fitting the wrong part from the factory is just unforgiveable.
Ford in general has gone to the dogs and i for one will never ever get a new ford again and ive loved fords my whole life

I'd say this is a computer/ data entry failure somewhere. Correct me if I’m wrong, but it is not like the guys on the line go ‘this is an EcoLPi, let me go to the tyre shed & get that tyre’. It would be all computer driven & somehow the wrong data has been entered & therefore the wrong tyre fitted. I’m not sure how you expect a human to pick that up, the difference between the tyres would be hard to spot with the eye, unless you look specially at the code on the tyre & then checked it against a master list. A bit unrealistic to expect that to happen for every car & then for every part of the car. The car would never leave the factory!!

[STINKY NINJA]

The size of the tyre is on the sidewall for everyone to see,if all the guy does is fit tyres i think it should be easy to spot or am i expecting too much?
I am just really disappointed at ford these days,the quality of parts/cars and service is just rubbish and they make no apolagies for it either,i always wanted a new ford and once i finally got one i wanted nothing to do with new fords...
Thats my opinion.

[XtRmn8]

I think the production line quality control check-sheet has a question along the lines:

"Does the car have tyres fitted? YES/NO"

Does Ford even fit tyres at the factory or are they done by a supplier and delivered onsite? Still if this was the case you would think they would do a QC check when accepting the goods.

[mik]

i read somewhere else it was a small difference in width like about 10 mm, if that`s correct it would`nt be too hard too miss.

[FalconXV]

That is kinda eery. At my last job I had a December 2011 built XT LPI, had 2 blowouts. Seemed to drive normal, only thing I noticed was shocking rebound compression compared to petrol XT. Front and rear of car would always bob and scrape over bumps, from dampers not settling.

[bobthebilda]

Originally Posted by TE 220

Putting the wrong size tyres on is just plain dumb!
Fair enough a recalled part may fail over time but fitting the wrong part from the factory is just unforgiveable.
Ford in general has gone to the dogs and i for one will never ever get a new ford again and ive loved fords my whole life

The guy fitting the tyres wouldnt have anything to do with picking the tyres. There would be interlocks galore to ensure the correct tyres were matched to the correct car. Either the incorrect labels have been supplied by the supplier, or their has been a data input error when someone has placed the build data in.

The tyres would be sequenced to the line and scanned to ensure they were to the build sheet.

I cant see many of these cars would have had new tyres on them (unless they did wear quickly) considering the date they become available for sale (sept 13 2013 onwards), but correct me if I am reading the recall notice correctly
(Identifying features
Campaign number: S1206
Target number: 372). 372 - You would think that Ford would just call up each owner individually, and wouldnt worry about a recall.

[Joe5619]

Originally Posted by TE 220

The size of the tyre is on the sidewall for everyone to see,if all the guy does is fit tyres i think it should be easy to spot or am i expecting too much?

But, what is right? Example: You have always fitted tyre A & you believe tyre A to be right. Your computer system might even be saying tyre A is right. So, you believe everything is right. 6 months later you are told tyre B is actually the right one & the system has just been changed to fix this error.

[joolz]

It appears the sequencing was out or the incorrect tyres were called up for the SIDO#. Last time I saw they did fit tyres at the plant.

[tweeked]

Man, they have to chase up the 7 XT EcoLPI's they sold. You think they would just text each owner.......

No real biggie, just someone clicked the wrong button on a laptop. Can't see any cars hurtling off the road due to it.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by joolz

It appears the sequencing was out or the incorrect tyres were called up for the SIDO#. Last time I saw they did fit tyres at the plant.

They are still fitted. As said above they are sequenced to the build. Its not the guys on the lines fault as its all picked and its cross checked to make sure its the right one. Hell the tyre is put on the rim automatically. There is one guy that puts on the weights of the tyre after it is run in a machine. The guy that fits them just screws it on with a torque gun that will do all 5 nuts in one hit...all he has to do is load the 5 nuts in the gun.
Unfortuantly its not good but it happens. Don't really see this being that big of an issue.

Funny how when Ford has a recall its doom and gloom, any other manufacturer has one and they've done a god job to fix the issue.

[V3N0M]

On snap.

[big_landau]

well done ford good to see someone doing something about a problem not just hiding in the sand about it,great work.

[FGII-XR6]

so ford have only sold them in the Maitland NSW area ? I know of 6 of them in this area alone. comments like yours do nothing to build confidence in the Ford name or the falcon

Originally Posted by tweeked

Man, they have to chase up the 7 XT EcoLPI's they sold. You think they would just text each owner.......

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by bobthebilda

You would think that Ford would just call up each owner individually, and wouldnt worry about a recall.

Car ownership can change, by law Ford must do recall which is sending out letters to owners and must advertise.

[2011G6E]

And because the law says they MUST advertise it widely, and not just quietly "call up each owner", they can't hide things and save themselves the embarrassment of a recall...

That smacks of the bad old days when they relied on "after sales owner-performed quality control", and answered problems with a shrug of the shoulders.

It's good that manufacturers know that if they stuff up, they're mistakes will be exposed in public and can't hide it...


And yes, 99.5% of people would walk out to their car, look at the tyre size, and order a set of whatever it has fitted. Tyre shops do the same thing...they'll usually just look at what's fitted and fit the same.

[svo supporter]

Originally Posted by cobramania

Thing is, how many people go to their tyre place, look at the size of the tyres they currently have & say I want ... of this size tyre please? (Most I would say).

I've also seen many a people go into the tyre store to get new tyres & the salesman comes out, looks at the current tyres/size & goes back in to replace with like for like.

The vast majority of people wouldn't know what tyres their car was "supposed" to have on.

Most fleet managers don't organise everything, they just say to the driver of the vehicle, it's due for new tyres, take it here. Then the above applies, they look to see what's on there currently, or the tyre salesman does.

The reason why us tyre monkeys generally look at the sidewall for the size fitted is because there is hundreds, if not thousands of different sizes/load rated tyres for thousands of different cars...So remembering every single one is difficult, so we just look at the tyre and go from there.

IMA, everytime a new car comes out, they seem to have a different size and/or load rating, so that compounds trying to remember every single thing in that area.

[svo supporter]

Originally Posted by vztrt

Hell the tyre is put on the rim automatically. There is one guy that puts on the weights of the tyre after it is run in a machine. The guy that fits them just screws it on with a torque gun that will do all 5 nuts in one hit...all he has to do is load the 5 nuts in the gun.

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About 10 years ago, the method used by Holden when fitting tyres to rims was, a monkey would be there, lube the tyre beads and drop it on a waiting rim he previously put on the conveyer belt...

It would then go along the tyre conveyer belt, where an arm would put the tyre on the rim.....From there, into a closed, see through chamber, where it would be pumped up to approximately 40 PSI.

After that, the fore-mentioned monkey would put the rim/tyre assembley onto the balancer and wack some weights on, where some dots had been put from another machine and place it on the waiting car....His final job was to put the wheel nuts on and rattle them up with a pre-set tension on the 5 way rattle gun.

As far as I am aware, this process hasn't changed in that factory.

As for the wrong size being put on...Somewhere along the line, the wrong size would have been supplied or "wheeled out" and the fore-mentioned monkey would have just gone about his regular business of fitting/balancing. So he would have presumed he was supplied the correct size for the rims.

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by au3xr6

so ford have only sold them in the Maitland NSW area ? I know of 6 of them in this area alone. comments like yours do nothing to build confidence in the Ford name or the falcon

It was a joke, you may need to toughen up a bit. I havent seen an XT Lpi on the road, quite a few XR6's though.

[Simple6]

Doesn't sound too bad at all. No major issues like a fire hazard, severe safety risk (think Toyota and throttles) or a case of something falling apart. Then from a customer point of view they get a free set of brand new tyres! Win!