EcoLPi just not marketed properly.

[GASWAGON]

Is it just me or has Ford FAILED in selling the ECOLPI..... It took them years to sort out all the design and patent issues with the injected gas system they've used....They worked out a solution to the priming problem quite well.... But they bloody charge 5k extra to buy one, though probably 2k rebate could be had from government for most buyers.... I only see a few here and there on the road and only seen a couple as taxi's....

Why the bloody hell didn't they do a t.v add for this car....They should of been flogging it when petrol went up to 1.65 recently.....Its got me stuffed??

[Nikked]

Yawn.

[GASWAGON]

LOL. So you don't like LPG? Or the car?

[csv8]

Originally Posted by EF_6

Is it just me or has Ford FAILED in selling the ECOLPI..... It took them years to sort out all the design and patent issues with the injected gas system they've used....They worked out a solution to the priming problem quite well.... But they bloody charge 5k extra to buy one, though probably 2k rebate could be had from government for most buyers.... I only see a few here and there on the road and only seen a couple as taxi's....

Why the bloody hell didn't they do a t.v add for this car....They should of been flogging it when petrol went up to 1.65 recently.....Its got me stuffed??

You will be criticised for FORD BASHING!! When you are making a legitimate comment

[XR Martin]

Both LPG and Falcon have an image problem.
It would take more advertising than its worth to try and turn that around.

[duaned]

Your post has merit, but I suspect many are over your repetitive rant in relation to LPG powered vehicles and associated equipment. I'm yet another that's not a fan of LPG, but granted the ECOLPI is a good proposition but unnecessary in the Ford Falcon in my opinion. Diesel would have been a better choice.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by duaned

Your post has merit, but I suspect many are over your repetitive rant in relation to LPG powered vehicles and associated equipment. I'm yet another that's not a fan of LPG, but granted the ECOLPI is a good proposition but unnecessary in the Ford Falcon in my opinion. Diesel would have been a better choice.

That 2.7 in the Territory is old junk though, not much power and torque for its engine capacity. Kia's 2.2L 4 cylinder diesel comes close with two less cylinders and 500cc less capacity.

The good thing is no DPF.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

Both LPG and Falcon have an image problem.
It would take more advertising than its worth to try and turn that around.

This, all the advertising in the world wouldn't help EcoLPI.

Ford said that EcoLPI Ute and sedan were for fleet buyers, very few retail buyers purchase LPG cars new.

Ecoboost Falcon was intended to get Falcon into Govco four cylinder only fleet but the stamp lickers
started reading way too much into green emission ratings figures and bought other products.

I have taken delivery of a new EcoLPI Falcon Ute, did over 1,000 km in the first week and averaging 12.5 l/100 km.
thanks to its low cost, I have managed to convince the fleet manager to skip the Hilux and buy another four EcoLPIs.
Between FBT changes and fleet managers who can't interpret energy efficiency data, Ford is getting a pretty raw deal.

As Ford fans, it's up to all of us to change the mind set wherever possible and one clever way is this:
It's real simple, convert litres/100 km into dollars per 100 km and see the savings straight away.
To even match EcoLPI, you would need a diesel or petrol vehicle averaging 7 litres/100 km.

[rdmr]

EcoLpi is a great engine. Have driven them several times in one tonners. Very good economy and terrific power.
In this environment you would not find a dealer charging a 5k premium for one. I find that hard to believe.

[GASWAGON]

I just don't understand why they couldn't do a t.v add for for it..... Especially when petrol is up around 1.60 that's nearly $100 for 60 ltrs of petrol that would be a good time to advertise it?

[xisled]

Because Ford new it would be a waste of money to advertise.

The Falcon has had a bad rap for so many years, no advertising will fix the perception the public has.

Plus as you said the car is $5000 more expensive, it would take 5 years for a normal person to get $5000 on fuel savings. Only real advantage if you were using the car for a huge number of ks, would you get the $5000 back quicker.

The days of people buying big sedans and getting gas conversions are past. You can pick up a Brand new 4 cylinder these days, that would suit the average persons needs and save $10000 plus. You can get these for under $20000 brand new.

[tezxr8man]

Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

Both LPG and Falcon have an image problem.
It would take more advertising than its worth to try and turn that around.

Isn't that stick your head in the sand approach the reason the falcon is in the shape it's it at the moment? the hard challenges in life can be the most rewarding

[usernametaken]

Originally Posted by xisled

Because Ford new it would be a waste of money to advertise.

The Falcon has had a bad rap for so many years, no advertising will fix the perception the public has.

Plus as you said the car is $5000 more expensive, it would take 5 years for a normal person to get $5000 on fuel savings. Only real advantage if you were using the car for a huge number of ks, would you get the $5000 back quicker.

The days of people buying big sedans and getting gas conversions are past. You can pick up a Brand new 4 cylinder these days, that would suit the average persons needs and save $10000 plus. You can get these for under $20000 brand new.

The first thing I did when buying my XR6 LE was to get it converted to gas.

Inc. full Govt rebate it only cost me $1600 which prob is payed back by now seeing 100kms costs me less than half what it would in petrol.

I'm not interested in driving a screaming 2lt buzz box sitting at 3000rpm on the highway each day.

[steve.zissou]

i got a lift in a new g6e taxi - 4,000 on the clock

asked if it was ford LPI?

nope, issues and too exspensive he said.

if taxi's aint using it thats probably saying something

[tezxr8man]

Originally Posted by steve.zissou

i got a lift in a new g6e taxi - 4,000 on the clock

asked if it was ford LPI?

nope, issues and too exspensive he said.

if taxi's aint using it thats probably saying something

when I was in Sydney a little while ago every falcon I got into was gas, there are a few out there, up here in Townsville they are using Prius' and Hybrid Camry's, ask them why and they say they are cheaper to run, when you ask them why the falcons aren't being used, and they really don't know. a couple of cab owners come into work and they aren't happy with hybrids and say that falcons are cheaper overall to run but a lot of people here are Toyota brainwashed and buy them blindly. they don't even look elsewhere even tho most love the falcon and have fond memories with owning them
Something is a miss there. I really don't know what the go is

[xisled]

Originally Posted by usernametaken

The first thing I did when buying my XR6 LE was to get it converted to gas.

Inc. full Govt rebate it only cost me $1600 which prob is payed back by now seeing 100kms costs me less than half what it would in petrol.

I'm not interested in driving a screaming 2lt buzz box sitting at 3000rpm on the highway each day.

Have you actually taken a small 4 cylinder for a test drive, like a swift or corolla. Buzz box far from it and they do not sit at 3000rpm at 100ks plus they have more features more comfortable than a falcon.

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by csv8

You will be criticised for FORD BASHING!! When you are making a legitimate comment

Stupid comment to make really and a bit offensive. There is a difference between someone contributing to the forum with general topics and those that are here just to bag out members cars ....... if anyone thinks thats an OK thing to do, they are not welcome ????

Originally Posted by duaned

Your post has merit, but I suspect many are over your repetitive rant in relation to LPG powered vehicles and associated equipment.

That is closer to the point .......

The idea that the EcoBoost is a buzz box ...... a misconception that is hard to contend with really from those who haven't driven one. Ignorance is bliss

[warpsp33d]

The EcoLPI's are not 5k more expensive. They're 2.5k more expensive, and you get 2k back from the Govt. if you're a private buyer.

The 500 bucks difference is made back very easily in savings on petrol.

[mcflux]

Originally Posted by xisled

The days of people buying big sedans and getting gas conversions are past. You can pick up a Brand new 4 cylinder these days, that would suit the average persons needs and save $10000 plus. You can get these for under $20000 brand new.

What about all the gas conversion businesses out there? If i'm still doing big kms when my current car (big sedan converted to gas after purchase) expires, the next car i'll buy will probably be converted to gas after purchase as well, unless I can fork out for an EcoLPi by then.

I'd pick a near-new big car + gas conversion for (well-)under $20k any day (again) over a new 4 cyl for the same price. The mrs will probably get a 2nd hand prius as they're also cheap to buy & run & she doesn't mind driving a wombat.

[GASWAGON]

Originally Posted by warpsp33d

The EcoLPI's are not 5k more expensive. They're 2.5k more expensive, and you get 2k back from the Govt. if you're a private buyer.

The 500 bucks difference is made back very easily in savings on petrol.

Well that's a lot better than 5k then..... So why have Ford only sold 5,000 odd EcoLpi's then... They need to change the misconception about LPG and sell the product better.

[Bossxr8]

Selling and promoting anything locally made goes against Ford's plans. Easy to see isn't it. You get get rid of something with out justifying it.

I just did 200km in an EcoLPi XR6 today and it's bloody great.

[nothin suss]

Originally Posted by usernametaken

I'm not interested in driving a screaming 2lt buzz box sitting at 3000rpm on the highway each day.

I hired a new 4cyl Auto petrol hatch (wasnt a ford but I know for a fact the Focus is very similar) the other week.
Done 2500klm around the South Island of NZ. Sat on 2000rpm at 100kph. Was great on the twisty roads and averaged 7.5l/100. Couldn't have been happier.
It's not 1993 anymore!

[Elks]

The LPi Falcon is very Falcon.

It's a great car, smooth quiet powerful cheap to run. A credit to the engineering group. And in line with company policy a well kept secret.

Think LPG Falcon and even my mind goes to a smelly taxi, with a whining Borg Warmer auto. Ugh. However the G6E LPi I spent time in the other day couldn't be further from that. It was a fantastic car.

[csv8]

Elks..so is Ecoboost.." And in line with company policy a well kept secret. " end of quote.

[krzysiek]

Wish they made an LPI XR6T!

[olds]

Originally Posted by EF_6

Is it just me or has Ford FAILED in selling the ECOLPI..... It took them years to sort out all the design and patent issues with the injected gas system they've used....They worked out a solution to the priming problem quite well.... But they bloody charge 5k extra to buy one, though probably 2k rebate could be had from government for most buyers.... I only see a few here and there on the road and only seen a couple as taxi's....

Why the bloody hell didn't they do a t.v add for this car....They should of been flogging it when petrol went up to 1.65 recently.....Its got me stuffed??

Still dont know how they got the priming issue workaround past ADR

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by olds

Still dont know how they got the priming issue workaround past ADR

It's a two step thing, when the doors are unlocked and you actually open the driver's door, you hear the pump start
and then when you turn the key to start it primes for a second or two before starting.

I'm wondering whether there's a recirculation line that can run without violating the ADR and then
it just leaves a small amount of injector priming...

[warpsp33d]

Originally Posted by krzysiek

Wish they made an LPI XR6T!

As a G6E LPI owner, I'd have to say, I'm perfectly happy without a Turbo. It's fast enough, and powerful enough for me.

[warpsp33d]

Originally Posted by jpd80

It's a two step thing, when the doors are unlocked and you actually open the driver's door, you hear the pump start
and then when you turn the key to start it primes for a second or two before starting.

I'm wondering whether there's a recirculation line that can run without violating the ADR and then
it just leaves a small amount of injector priming...

To be clear here as well... this pre-priming procedure is seamless and quite subtle. There's barely any noticeable delay when starting the car. If you don't actively point it out to someone, but hand them the keys, they will not notice that it's a gas only car until they go to fill it.

I've tried it.

Best way to crush peoples perceptions of gas. Let them take it for a drive, then tell them afterwards that it's LPG only, and watch the stunned and puzzled looks as their stigmas and preconceived perceptions of LP Gas are crushed by their own memories of what they just experienced.

[SM1DY]

Buy something else then