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Post COVID it seems everyone is hyper aggro on the roads and super aggressive. More speed limit reductions about to happen, I had a right laugh at the new Sunbury Road duplication. Used to be a single lane country highway goat track with no lighting, with a 100km/h speed limit Now its dual lane, divided, with emergency lanes and safety barriers, with lighting, and now the speed limit is 60km/h and may go up to 80km/h. I think they still don't understand the issues, they keep blaming speed but most people can't drive for **** and no one cares because they don't enforce any standards other than camera fines for speeding. Have just come back from spending a few days on the road in Sydney, they had a lot bigger visible presence of police, although a huge fetish for cameras in the outer Western suburbs, more-so than Melbourne. The biggest issue on the Hume Freeway was other Victorians driving like retards doing rolling road blocks and ACT plated cars punch above their weight for **** driving per capita I reckon - they have to be the worst drivers in the country. I had cruise control set on 113-117 by GPS and was constantly held up by Victorians or ACT drivers in the right lane. The best one was in Kilmore someone doing 25 in the 40 zone through town, Standard of driving in Sydney is certainly much better than Melbourne, people move off from lights quicker and are generally much quicker on the roads, I enjoyed my time driving around their suburbia and into the city. Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 02-01-2024 at 08:37 PM. |
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The state of our roads wouldn’t help.
Our population has also increased by around 1.5 million people since 2008, 5.3m to 6.8m last year. Per million people, 2008 saw 57 deaths per million people, last year saw 44. Still too many. But the headline number is just that, a headline. I noticed the reasons given were intoxication, seat belts and fatigue. Yet the government is going to review speed limits. Why not make the penalties for not wearing seat belts and drink driving so harsh people won’t dare to do it? Same with mobile phones. Don’t half **** it, actually punish people properly for doing it. A four figure fine or some gaol time is better than someone dying. |
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Second offence...whatever that is mandatory disposal of car you are driving. Owners of cars also should get a rebate for serious anti theif measures. the old steering wheel bar comes to mind.
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All of those things only work with honest criminals.
But are the people who are often negatively depicted on DCOA really the consistent progenitors of that higher road toll? What if they aren’t, and further nannying laws don’t bring about the hoped-for changes? |
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Where as you can't police driver intoxication with cameras, you need police on the side of the road to do it. They also want to price fines in a way that they're not too prohibitive that people won't consider doing them, if they're on the lower end of the spectrum you'll still run the gauntlet on these behaviors because the disincentive isn't enough. Whats the fine for driving on the phone in VIC? $545 and 4 points, its not enough that you wouldn't bother doing it, so they can still make money on people doing it as they haven't disincentivised it too much like QLD has with their $1000 fine. Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 02-01-2024 at 10:18 PM. |
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The weak link in the road toll is the people
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Get all those old cars off the road, they are obviously causing all this mayhem.
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A closer look at the data set shows there were 3 less cyclists killed in 2023 compared to 2022; 6 less motorcyclists; the same number of pedestrians; 29 more drivers and 37 more passengers. Here are those numbers graphed since 2000... Likewise, the rate per 100k vehicles has been on the rise again these last few years after largely falling for 60 years from a peak of 13.074 in 1951 down to 0.412 in 2020 but back up to 4.345 in 2023.
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Some of those figures are an interesting counterpoint to Queensland statistics, especially motorbike fatalities. The most recent (at time of my posting) QLD summary I could find is this one: https://cars.tmr.qld.gov.au/Static/d...ort_Latest.pdf - remarkably neutral in tone.
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The road toll will not decrease to zero until the speed limits are reduced to zero, and the most exciting driving we can do is sit in the car making VroomVroom noises with our mouth, while looking at our garage walls as scenery.
People will continue to drive at a speed higher than road conditions allow, while texting, not wearing seat belts, while under the influence of drugs and alcohol, walk on roads at night wearing black clothes, walk onto a busy road while reading their phone, go swimming when they can't swim, take selfies in unsafe positions, consume questionable drugs at rave parties, etc ............ The common result of stupidity is death or injury. But nobody learns until it is them, and too late. |
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Wait for the people with the data to run the analysis before jumping to conclusions. Have heard some interesting theories to date, ranging from:
2023 could very well just be a statistical anomoly. Were more people doing more KMs than previous years? If I remember correctly, there were quite a few accidents that involved multiple fatalities last year aswell.
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the single minded focus on speed is imo a significant factor in this. people have been conditioned to believe that as long as they are under the limit they are safe, regardless of their other behaviours.
secondly - infrastructure. Not just the state of the roads, but also the state of the roadside furniture, and greenery. I don't know about the rest of you, but half the signs here are overgrown, and it's near impossible to see when pulling out of some junctions I am also gobsmacked by how many people STILL don't wear seatbelts! |
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There is constant pressure in Victoria from auto industry bodies that Victoria should have annual roadworthies. NSW does and they had a higher road toll last year than Victoria with bsically the same population numbers. The auto industry bodies (VACC & RACV) are just trying to drum up business for their members, there is not statistical reason to have annual roadworthies.
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Simon, are you ready for a shock . . . . . . . . . . I agree with you
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Have you ever noticed how learner drivers are being taught these days by idiotic instructors, one more reason for increased road tolls.
More police presence will certainly help reduce it. |
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All true. The simple fact is unroadworthy cars simply don’t show up as the cause in fatal accidents. Any move to yearly roadworthy inspections would be a political move. |
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Pretty sure I just said that
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it's not so much the paid instruction, but 120 hours, while it may seem a good idea, is absolutely reliant on those 120 hours being with a decent supervising driver. There is anecdotal evidence that many Learners spend 120 hours doing the same route to school and the shops every week, and not getting the experience of different conditions they really need.
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Why not make the penalties for not wearing seat belts and drink driving so harsh people won’t dare to do it?
Coming back down the goat track (Bruce Hwy) this arvo, signs Wear your seatbelt properly, fine for failing to wear seatbelt or wear it properly $1621 + 4 points. Funny but I feel naked without one, KINKY!!!!!!! And can you Vics please come and collect your bloody citizens from up here, They scare me!!! Terry |
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Putting logistics aside, do you think the road toll would decrease if everyone had to pass an annual driving test?
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Surely that depends on the testing arrangements!
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Ever 5 years would be good but half the punters already out driving don't have licences.
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